eomer a écrit:C'est vraiment lamentable: les TC Londonniens sont déja excessivement chers et dans un état de décrépitude avancée. Seul le bus est performant...
Grâce au super-métro du Grand Paris, Paname aura écrasé Londres (dans le futur)
eomer a écrit:C'est vraiment lamentable: les TC Londonniens sont déja excessivement chers et dans un état de décrépitude avancée. Seul le bus est performant...
unlimited45 a écrit:Londres va dans le mur avec ce genre de plan foireux
Ils pigent pas que c'est pas super ambitieux pour une ville censée organiser des JO? pour une ville d'envergure internationale?
Un ticket franchement cher pourrait se justifier avec des investissements conséquents. Et différencier tickets de bus de ceux de métro c'est un peu catégoriser les classes sociales un peu plus que par leurs moyens de transport.
Et puis bon +3 points de part modale du vélo en effet c'est même honteux d'oser en parler pour un plan à +25ans!!!
super5 a écrit:eomer a écrit:C'est vraiment lamentable: les TC Londonniens sont déja excessivement chers et dans un état de décrépitude avancée. Seul le bus est performant...
Grâce au super-métro du Grand Paris, Paname aura écrasé Londres (dans le futur)
unlimited45 a écrit:Un ticket franchement cher pourrait se justifier avec des investissements conséquents. Et différencier tickets de bus de ceux de métro c'est un peu catégoriser les classes sociales un peu plus que par leurs moyens de transport.
the Guardian a écrit:Boris Johnson's commitment to bus travel questioned
Boris Johnson's commitment to London's buses was called into question today amid claims that bus subsidies would be cut by £150m within the next nine years.
Val Shawcross, who sits on the London assembly transport committee, raised doubts about the mayor of London's commitment to encouraging people out of their cars as bus users counted the cost.
The Conservative mayor, who is chair of Transport for London, lauded the capital's bus service earlier this week, claiming it was the envy of the world.
But reducing subsidies to bus companies could see fares rise further.
Seizing on the overall bus fare rise of 12.7% planned for this January, Shawcross told the London assembly that the mayor might "come to regret" his decision to make "salami-sliced cuts" to bus services.
The Labour group member made her comments during a debate on a motion to the mayor urging him to investigate the possibility of allowing bus tickets to cover a one-hour period, rather than forcing passengers to buy a separate ticket for each bus.
"The proposed cuts to the bus service are deeply worrying and, along with his fare rises, contradict all the mayor has said about getting people out of their cars and on to public transport," said Shawcross.
"A £150m cut to bus service subsidy means London's buses will be running 26m fewer kilometres per year while bus passengers can expect to pay over-and-above-inflation increases for their tickets every year.
"Buses in London are set to get more expensive, less frequent and overcrowded with salami-sliced service cuts.
"All this adds up to an attack on the bus service and its passengers, who are clearly way down on the mayor's list of priorities. He may come to regret this if there is a backlash against cuts and overcrowding not just in inner London but in the suburbs he promised to support."
The London assembly backed the motion asking TfL to investigate the cost implications of one-hour bus tickets.
the Guardian a écrit:Boris Johnson admitted today he feared that motorists would "turn" on him for trying to get Londoners on their bikes.
The Conservative mayor of London expressed fears that his efforts to encourage people to use cycling as their main mode of transport would not be "politically cost-free".
The mayor aired his concerns during a question-and-answer session on his transport strategy in which he also claimed that he had resisted pressure from a cabinet minister to reduce the number of buses in the capital during a conversation about the "joys of cycling".
Johnson, who faced the transport committee to defend his 354-page draft transport strategy, said he wanted to go "much further, much faster with promoting cycling", including encouraging outer London boroughs to copy the bike hire scheme due to be introduced in central London next year.
The strategy outlined plans to generate a "cycling revolution" in the capital by "mainstreaming" cycling as a mode of transport by, among other things, improving bike routes and increasing the number of cycle parking spaces.
Johnson, whose strategy is based on encouraging motorists out of their cars rather than hitting them with punitive measures such as road-pricing schemes, told the transport committee he would need their support when car users in the capital "turn on me" over his aim of increasing cycling fourfold from 2000 levels.
Although the transport committee supports Johnson's bid to increase walking and cycling as modes of transport across the city, the mayor said: "I hope the support will still be there when the motorists turn on me and say they don't want any more cyclists on the road.
"This is a very big issue for us. There will come a time when the motorists say it's really all too much of a good thing and they don't want to see so many bikes, they wish people would get back in their cars, and I [will] have to say that is the right way to go. It won't be politically cost-free."
Critics accused the mayor of pandering to motorists at the expense of public transport users, following his decision to scrap the western extension of the congestion charge while hiking up bus fares by 20% due to the financial pressures at Transport for London.
From January, pay-as-you-go Oyster smart-card fares on buses will rise 20p to £1.20 while a single Underground trip within the centre of London will jump 20p to £1.80.
Future fares are planned to increase by RPI plus 2% every year until 2017-18.
Johnson said he was "more than content" with the strategy, and said he had resisted government pressure to reduce the number of buses on London's roads.
"There was a very strong argument running from - I might mention important members of the cabinet - who were saying there are too many buses running on the streets of London and that we should consider ... ways of reducing bus coverage, and I thought that again with 2.2bn journeys a year I think bus coverage in London is one of the glories of our transport system. It is the envy around the world."
The mayor, who announced a reduction in bus services as part of his fares announcement last week, maintained that the adjustments he had made were "very, very small".
"I am determined to maintain our bus coverage," he said.
Pressed on the identity of the cabinet minister in question, and whether he had been lobbied by the government in writing, Johnson said: "I don't wish to embarrass the distinguished gentleman ... This was in the course of a conversation on the joys of cycling in London. It was his view that there were too many buses."
The TfL business plan suggests that bus use may drop as a result of the fares increases, which would see London's commuters forced to find other modes of transport.
Johnson's transport commissioner, Peter Hendy, admitted to the committee that the demand for bus use was expected to fall by between 1% and 3% by 2017-18 as a result of rising fares.
Jenny Jones, a Green party assembly member, said after the meeting that the commissioner's comments confirmed that higher fares would "push people off the buses and into their cars".
"This London mayor will be directly responsible for more pollution and more congestion by raising fares well beyond what was necessary to cover Transport for London's debts. He is putting into reverse a nine-year record of Londoners ditching their cars and taking the bus.
"The mayor could have less draconian fare rises by keeping the western extension of the congestion charge and cancelling his pet projects like getting rid of bendy buses."
During the grilling session, Johnson was challenged on the fact that, despite all the measures included the strategy, congestion in the capital is projected to rise by 14% by 2031.
He ruled out road pricing as a way of reducing congestion, but said he had included it as an "option" in the strategy because a future mayor may need to consider it after 2017, when the current business plan runs out.
"The measures we are bringing into effect in the next few years will actually make a substantial difference. I hope a future mayor will not be obliged to bring in road pricing," he added.
Bus journeys 'cut by 16m miles'
The mayor of London's transport plans came under renewed fire after it emerged 26 million kilometres (16.2 million miles) of bus trips will go.
Boris Johnson's plan will see the bus subsidy slashed by 37%, resulting in the drop in journeys. It comes days after a 12.7% fare rise was announced.
London Assembly member Val Shawcross said it amounted to an "attack on the bus service and its passengers".
The mayor's office said it was "acutely aware of the value of bus services".
But Ms Shawcross said: "The proposed cuts to the bus service are deeply worrying and, along with his fare rises, contradict all the mayor has said about getting people out of their cars and on to public transport.
"A £150m cut to bus service subsidy means London's buses will be running 26 million fewer kilometres per year - while bus passengers can expect to pay above-inflation increases for their tickets.
"All this adds up to an attack on the bus service and its passengers who are clearly way down on the mayor's list of priorities."
'Dose of reality'
Mayor's transport advisor Kulveer Ranger said: "The mayor is acutely aware of the value of bus services to Londoners which is why, at a time when TfL's budget is under huge pressure from the recession, the collapse of Metronet and the volatile fares policy of the previous administration, he is ensuring that services are protected.
"We have to be realistic and for taxpayers' subsidy of the capital's bus services to leap from £24m in 2000 to £602m this year is simply not sustainable in these tough economic times."
Transport for London's business plan will see the total bus mileage drop to 478 million kilometres from last year's estimate of 503 million kilometres.
Mr Johnson's price increases were condemned in the House of Lords by Lord Faulkner of Worcester, Labour, who said: "Transport undertakings put their up fares for two reasons - either because they have to or because they choose to.
"In the case of the mayor, it is a fare increase entirely out of choice."
He added: "It would not have been necessary for fares to rise if not for the scrapping of the congestion charge extension, which would have raised £50m, the dropping of plans to impose additional charge on polluting vehicles and the crazy scheme to abolish bendy buses."
Responding Mr Ranger said: "The fact is that the mayor has taken strong and decisive action to introduce a much needed dose of reality and correct the mistakes of the past".
DENY84 a écrit:Le bus 38 viens de perdre ses bus articules. Petite video:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/davehillbl ... m-route-38
BBC a écrit:A tale of two buses
The design for London's new Routemaster bus has been unveiled, five years after the iconic bus was withdrawn from service. So how do the two compare?
For a start, there is a big size difference.
The new bus is much bigger than the the old one, says one of the UK's leading bus designers, Alan Ponsford. The new one is 11.2m long, nearly three metres longer.
"People have got bigger and there are rules about headroom and gangway widths, plus accessibility requirements. All of which have been welcome changes, but they mean a larger bus."
These requirements mean that although it is much bigger, it seats two fewer passengers, 62 rather than 64.
There are two staircases because the "open platform" door at the back can be open or closed, says Mr Ponsford, depending on whether there is a conductor working to collect fares and scan Oyster cards - ticket swipe cards.
The designers thought that if there was only one staircase at the back, passengers would have to walk the length of the bus before ascending.
Mr Ponsford's company Capoco Design has been responsible for designing more than half of the UK's buses in recent years. It was a joint winner of the competition to design a new Routemaster, although it was not involved in the final blueprint.
Although the old Routemaster was unique and much loved, Mr Ponsford says the design had to change.
"It was a very elegant, innovative design but this is a worthy successor because it's addressing what is new. It shouldn't be stultified by going back to what it was. You couldn't get a wheelchair on there and that was unacceptable."
Great designs - whether of products or buildings - are always related to place and space, says design critic Stephen Bayley.
"The old Routemaster is an obvious example. Because it was so evidently designed for London, it became a perfect symbol of the city. The same goes for Big Ben."
It will never have a successor, but the "new" Routemaster deserves to be a success, he says.
"It proves the old rule that if you want things to stay the same, they have to change. And it was designed for London, unlike the hated and insulting bendy-bus, which was designed for Berlin."
DENY84 a écrit:Au final, la mairie de Londres s'agite beaucoup pou le vélo, parlant de 2010, l'année de la Révolutions pour le vélo! (CYcling Revolution). Ceci alors que le vélo couvre actuellement moins de 2% des déplacements de la capitale et que la politique générale de TfL est en pratique très pro-voiture.
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